澳洲媒體稱日本潛艇競標方案「最差」
來源：日經中文網關於日德法參與的澳大利亞新型潛艇競標項目，澳洲多家媒體報導稱日本在競標中勝出的可能性「最低」。據《澳大利亞人報》21日報導，澳大利亞國家安全保障會議（NSC）認為日本提出的方案「最差」。澳大利亞廣播公司（ABC）也報導稱，日本將「被排除在候補名單之外」。
《澳大利亞人報》認為，法國政府下屬的造船公司DCNS最有可能獲勝。報導稱有日本政府相關人士認為日本武器出口經驗不足成為不利因素。另一方面，美國《華爾街日報》電子版報導稱，德國大型防衛企業蒂森克虜伯船舶系統公司處於領先位置。
最終結果預計將在4月內正式公佈。4月20日，澳大利亞總理特恩布爾在接受電臺採訪時表示，「結果將於近期公佈」。日本應澳大利亞政府之邀，參加了新型潛艇的競標。2015年11月向澳大利亞政府提出了以「蒼龍號」潛艇為原型的項目企劃案。但澳大利亞政府沒有公開後續過程。
澳大利亞政府計劃採購12艘新型潛艇，僅設計和開發費就高達500億澳元。除了性能、費用以及給當地帶來的經濟效應之外，與同盟國美國、最大貿易對象國中國的關係也在澳大利亞的考慮之中，正在就多方條件進行討論。
日本三菱重工神戶造船廠內停放的海上自衛隊「蒼龍」級潛艇。(資料圖片）
根據外國媒體的分析：蒼龍級當前的AIP（Air-independent propulsion，不依賴空氣式推進）的實際上是瑞典的過時技術（斯特林發動機方面中國的新一代性能已超越瑞典的原型機），而下代蒼龍級採用的鋰離子電池技術方面澳洲判定為「尚未證明足夠安全」，而且日方肯將此技術出口的意願似乎不大。以蒼龍級「有限的航程」（日本近日發表報告所用的形容詞），顧客口碑（零出口）欠奉下，會「提早出局」亦屬於預期之內 {:3:}
...<div class='locked'><em>瀏覽完整內容，請先 <a href='member.php?mod=register'>註冊</a> 或 <a href='javascript:;' onclick="lsSubmit()">登入會員</a></em></div><div></div> 本帖最後由 luxegen 於 2016-4-22 03:58 PM 編輯
那篇報導錯誤百出,根本就是軍盲寫的,本來就是內定日本,大概就是德法找個槍手來毀謗
不過造謠水準太低了
德法現有的都是不到2000頓的近海用潛艇,根本沒有合乎澳洲規格用的4000頓級大潛艇
都要用現存的2000噸級潛艇來大改,只有日本有合乎澳洲規格用的4000頓遠洋用的大潛艇
所以德法的都是紙上數據,只有日本的是實際數據,澳洲自己在柯林斯級上吃
歐洲這種紙上數據的苦頭還不夠??澳洲自己的前總理都希望最好整艘從日本進口,免的落到像
柯林斯級一樣都要退役了,都還沒能按照紙上數據好好服役
這是真正澳洲媒體的報導,裡面說得很清楚,怕日本人玩假的根本不想賣澳洲
大家看看中國媒體多會造假---
日本怕蒼龍技術外洩不想在澳洲組裝,被中國媒體竄改成技術最差
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Submarine deal: Successful bid for new Royal Australian Navy boats to be announced next week
EXCLUSIVE BY POLITICAL EDITOR CHRIS UHLMANN
UPDATED WED AT 11:53AM
The Federal Government is preparing to announce the successful bidder for Australia's new fleet of submarines next week.
Key points:
Unknown if a final decision on the subs contract has been made
Coalition MPs and senators in SA have been pressing the Government for a decision
Window for announcement narrows with Budget looming
The ABC understands Cabinet's National Security Committee discussed the three international bids for the $50 billion contract last night.
While it is not clear if the committee has made a final decision, it has all but eliminated the Japanese bid to build a fleet of 12 submarines to replace the Royal Australian Navy's ageing Collins Class subs.
That leaves France and Germany still in the race.
Defence department officials have had reservations about the Japanese bid from the outset, because it emerged as an understanding struck between former prime minister Tony Abbott and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.
Officials feared there was less enthusiasm in the Japanese bureaucracy for the deal and that would undo it in the long run.
The Japanese bid has been pushed by some US officials who raised the prospect that America might not allow its most advanced combat systems to be installed in the European subs.
The Government is now convinced that is not that case and one senior source said President Barack Obama had made it clear to Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull the submarine deal was a sovereign issue for Australia and there would be no implications for the alliance, no matter which bidder won.
This morning Mr Turnbull was not prepared to confirm whether the decision would be announced prior to the election.
"It will be made in due course, it will be made shortly," he told Adelaide radio station FIVEaa.
"I'm not going to be drawn on dates."
The lead up to the submarine contract has involved election promises, business and political campaigns and lots of speculation.
But with South Australian MPs and senators sweating on the announcement there is a small window in which it can be made.
There is currently a Japanese submarine in Sydney Harbour and the Government will not make any statement until it clears Australian waters.
The budget is on May 3 and shortly after that the Prime Minister will ask the Governor-General for an election and no major decisions can be made in the caretaker period.
The new submarine project has been embroiled in politics from the outset with the deal between prime ministers Abbott and Abe sparking fears in South Australia that it would lose its shipbuilding industry.
The political pressure on the Government did not dissipate, even after all three bidders made it clear the subs could be built entirely, or substantially, in Adelaide.
It has been a political gift for popular independent senator Nick Xenophon, who is running candidates in Lower House seats in South Australia at the July election.
Coalition MPs and senators in that state have been pressing the Government for a decision to try to stem the political bleeding that threatens several seats.
The window for the announcement has narrowed to next week, ahead of the budget.
Years of campaigning before announcement
The South Australian campaign to secure the submarine construction work for the state has been underway for about two years, Premier Jay Weatherill said yesterday.
Earlier this year the Defence White Paper revealed the Government planned to order 12 new vessels as part of its future submarine program.
（這就是自由黨政府需要在選舉前公布結果的關鍵原因：選票。Mr Weatherill 表示自由黨政府必須這麼做，明確宣示潛艇會在南澳建造，否則對自由黨的選情可能會有負面影響。）
Mr Weatherill said a submarine announcement would be needed before the election to help Liberal Industry, Innovation and Science Minister Christopher Pyne retain the SA seat of Sturt at the federal election.
"I hope Christopher and the team are able to get that organised before the federal election is announced because I think it would be politically suicidal for him not to do so," Mr Weatherill said.
The Liberals need to commit to building the next generation of submarines in Adelaide to avoid a potential voting backlash at the looming federal poll, a politics analyst said.
Professor in politics and international studies Carol Johnson, of the University of Adelaide, said there were electoral risks for the Liberals if Adelaide did not fare well from the submarines project.
"The problem is that the submarines are not only important for their build but also because of some of the high-t
...<div class='locked'><em>瀏覽完整內容，請先 <a href='member.php?mod=register'>註冊</a> 或 <a href='javascript:;' onclick="lsSubmit()">登入會員</a></em></div> 鋰離子電池本來就是美軍許多年前特別要發展的軍用電池技術，早已廣泛應用於美軍裝備。
後來美國政府才准許軍轉民用，廣泛應用於市面銷售的電子產品。
不明白為何潛艇使用鋰離子電池是 [尚未證明足夠安全]？
難道世上現存的許多潛艇，仍在使用殘舊的NiCD/NiMH電池？
還是燃料電池才是現今發展方向？
主要是因為日本不願意技術轉移，結果是不會好的。。。 日本的潛艦當然有一定的品質，只是在現實的環境中，是否真得如日本所稱，蒼龍級是優異的裝備，全看澳洲的判定囉！<br><br><br><br><br><div></div> hjkl12345 發表於 2016-4-22 01:40 PM static/image/common/back.gif
主要是因為日本不願意技術轉移，結果是不會好的。。。
最主要原因就是日本不想轉移技術在澳大利亞造,因為柯林斯的教訓讓日本不想砸了自己的招牌澳大利亞前總理很清楚自己的底子,連他都想整艘從日本進口,不要在澳大利亞造.
...<div class='locked'><em>瀏覽完整內容，請先 <a href='member.php?mod=register'>註冊</a> 或 <a href='javascript:;' onclick="lsSubmit()">登入會員</a></em></div> 二戰後日本由於各種限武條例導至日本軍隊.軍備.武器都少得可憐.
雖然日本想要開始備武.科技也很進步.但是研發是要發時間的.
現在的日本那有東西可外銷.再等幾年吧..... 如果這麼差.....怎麼會是日本得標....！台灣很需要的.....{:31:} 袋鼠國不會傻到買日本潛艇的
買几個馬桶蓋還差不多 不管怎麼說日本人還是有心眼的，必盡技術不想讓人學過去所以這是正常的。<br><br><br><br><br><div></div> xeno-2007 發表於 2016-4-22 01:10 PM static/image/common/back.gif
鋰離子電池本來就是美軍許多年前特別要發展的軍用電池技術，早已廣泛應用於美軍裝備。
後來美國政府才准許 ...
潛艇目前大部分使用的是更古老的鉛酸電池。鋰電池最主要是安全性和充電次數壽命問題。
補充內容 (2016-4-22 08:53 PM):
你說的那些鎳電池更沒辦法用了，因為潛艇的特殊環境要求電池必須無記憶效應且基本上沒有循環充電壽命限制。
補充內容 (2016-4-22 08:55 PM):
其實在未來我個人更看好超級電容等物理儲能的發展。...<div class='locked'><em>瀏覽完整內容，請先 <a href='member.php?mod=register'>註冊</a> 或 <a href='javascript:;' onclick="lsSubmit()">登入會員</a></em></div> luxegen 發表於 2016-4-22 12:19 PM static/image/common/back.gif
那篇報導錯誤百出,根本就是軍盲寫的,本來就是內定日本,大概就是德法找個槍手來毀謗
不過造謠水準太低了
德 ...
教主，不要說得這麼肯定，一會兒又被打面就不好了 luxegen 發表於 2016-4-22 12:19 PM static/image/common/back.gif
那篇報導錯誤百出,根本就是軍盲寫的,本來就是內定日本,大概就是德法找個槍手來毀謗
不過造謠水準太低了
德 ...
中國媒體寫的 不易外
某人輕易相信中國媒體寫的 不易外
可能英文能力不夠吧 ~~
大大我們要原諒這種人~~ ...<div class='locked'><em>瀏覽完整內容，請先 <a href='member.php?mod=register'>註冊</a> 或 <a href='javascript:;' onclick="lsSubmit()">登入會員</a></em></div> 大就是好嗎？這只是常規潛艇，動力就擺那，只有變態的日本受限造這麼大個的常規潛艇。當然好不好，看澳大利亞怎麼說了，嘿嘿。另外據說日本的這個使用年限沒歐洲的長 本帖最後由 MightyDragon 於 2016-4-23 12:11 AM 編輯
az555060 發表於 2016-4-22 10:53 PM http://www45.eyny.com/static/image/common/back.gif
中國媒體寫的 不易外
某人輕易相信中國媒體寫的 不易外
可能英文能力不夠吧 ~~
上一句「不易外」，下一句又「不易外」？這是甚麼東西 {:3:}
上中文課時要多留心「錯別字」，否則無人知你想表達甚麼…
當然如果是「非我族類」就算了 {:46:}...<div class='locked'><em>瀏覽完整內容，請先 <a href='member.php?mod=register'>註冊</a> 或 <a href='javascript:;' onclick="lsSubmit()">登入會員</a></em></div><br><br><br><br><br><div></div>